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General Pace’s comments although irresponsible are his personal thoughts.  The don’t ask don’t tell policy is necessary otherwise there would still be a complete and total ban on gays in the military.  Think about it this way.  Why is there a ban on women serving in combat positions with men?  It is not because they are physically inferior etc… but because the combat readiness of the military would be compromised.  A combat unit is comprised of a group of men in a nonerotic structure that fosters cohesion and bonding within that unit in a nonerotic way.  By letting gays serve in the military openly we will be compromising our combat effectiveness by letting that nonerotic bond that develops between fighting men undermined homoerotic tendencies of gay and/or lesbian servicemembers.
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Wow… in reading some of these comments, I would really like to know where some of these people get their information… and in some cases their education! <BR><BR>I served in the military for many years and even came out (privately) while in the military. I knew many people who were gay and they were all great service members.<BR><BR>Gen. Pace has the right to his opinions. I don’t have to agree with it. My issue with his comparison to adultery. I have seen so many military members, men and women, committing adultery. All ranks, all branches of service. My ex brother-in-law cheated on my sister while he served. His Commander told him to leave the other woman alone. Well he got her pregnant. There were no charges. If he had been sleeping with another man, he would have been dishonorable discharged. Where is the equity in punishment if he considers both “immoral”. <BR><BR>Seems like their is some serious inequality in punishing these acts he considers “immoral”.<BR><BR>Plenty of gay military members served proudly. We give our lives to protect some of these “Anonymous” idiots rights to say what they feel. Get off your high horse and open your freaking minds. <BR><BR>Get over it!

There is nothing wrong with calling an immoral act exactly what it is. Everybody gets it wrong with the seperation of church and state. Our forefathers knew exactly what kind of freaks would be around this great country of ours.  They wanted the state not to dictate to the church like mother England did. They wanted the freedom from that.  Their words specifically dictate that.  <BR>  This country was based ne Religious principles. The Gays, Lesbian, and Bi dysfuntionals want everything to be adjusted for their sake. I believe that when GOD said it’s wrong - it’s wrong. Hate the SIN but care for the sinner. The belief of years ago was that the Gays and other freaks were born that way.  They even had an outspoken advocate with an extensive background in biology back up what they were saying, until contradicted himself because he said for all those years he had been lying because he was gay also. Now when he turned back to normal, the Gay community droped him from being one of theirs. <BR> The bottom line is if you agree to what they say, you’re ok in their book.  If you say anything against them, they are outraged!<BR> I applaud General Pace for standing up for his convictions and vowing not to bow done to these degenerates.<BR> Good luck on judgement day you whacky people.  You really do know where GOD stands on this.  <BR>Signed:<BR>X-liberal

FYI:<BR>This is the United States of America and its declaration starts “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”<BR>We came into being with the knowledge of God who made known in Jude 1:7 “just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.”<BR>The General is being an American in stating the immorality of homosexuality. It is the undisciplined action of the people that is the sin.

It is about time people in higher authority start to speak out against this practice.  I am sick and tired of my kids being brainwashed in the school system to think is is okay to be gay!  Well, it is not!  It is a sickness and should be addressed as such. If you want to act this way, then keep it to yourself and quit trying to am it down our throtes all of time.  Having your ow awareness month is rediculous.  We should make the other nine months anti-gay months.  Everyone I know in the military has said they would not want to trust their lives with a gay person.  Same with sports players also, except women.  They accept the idea of loving eachother.

NEXT TIME Islamist Terroists strike America….and make no mistake they will attack us repeatedly, and you’ve gotten rid of over 32 gay linguists, and you have ANOTHER motherf*ckin 200 hours of untranslated intercepted messages…REMEMBER gays/lesbians volunteered to serve their country…and you SPIT ON THEM!<BR><BR>Pace and Collin Powell you continue to serve Bush, I wouldn’t want any of you a$$holes holding a single gay service member’s life in your hands..you’re NOT worthy of their courage.

I agree with General Pace. While the arena in which he stated his views was not the best choice. His opinion does not say that gay people whom are serving now are bad at their work, so let’s seperate the difference. A conservative Christian will tell you that being gay is immoral according to the Bible, and why should someone have to compromise their ethical and moral beliefs just because others don’t fall into that line? I agree with other posts, when those of us exercising our ethics and morals don’t fall inline with bad behavior then we are the bad guys and need to apologize. NO WAY, our country was founded on better principles than that! As long as it didn’t cost you your life then leave it be and have tolerance yourself for the vast majority that believes such as Gen Pace does. You don’t want to apologize for your lifestyle, we don’t want to apologize for our opinion of it, and neither should he.

Like “One Jewish Dyke” really tell me who you are?  Btw, I only posted once.  Don’t know who the rest of the smart people are.  Oh, and excuse me for getting the months wrong.  Will look into that refresher course, thanks.  Also, comment on women in sports wasn’t sexist.  Just a point that many of the women sports figures (basketball, tennis, golf) are lesbians and like it.  To be honest, two or more fine girls together are a turnon.  It is the Dykes that ruin it for the others. All manly and everything, yuk.  And for MilitaryLez, you are so brave coming out “Privately”.  All gays hang around eachother in the military and that is why they find it acceptable. When they hang around others, they lie about their ways.  Go figure.

As a former officer in the Army, I understand and respect Gen Pace’s position.  He is a fine officer who speaks his opinion.  <BR><BR>One of the most confusing executive orders ever was the don’t ask don’t tell policy.  As far as I know it remains a violation of the Universal Code of Military Justice to engage in the type of sexual activities that being gay implies.  As an officer, I was sworn to uphold the law which said to boot them if you knew them to be gay.  Don’t ask, don’t tell did not change that law.  It just said don’t tell anyone and we’ll look the other way.  <BR><BR>Personally, I agree with Gen Pace, but I recognize that my opinion is based on my own religious beliefs. I will leave it to the Congress to decide what the laws should be, and as a good officer would have upheld them as I was sworn to do, just as our active duty, Reserve and Guard officers must do today.  <BR><BR>And may we have praise for the great job they have all done in some very difficult times.

If General Pace believes all gays and lesbians are immoral, that is his right, although I have to profess my shock that the man has not yet figured out there at open LGBT civilian employees at the Pentagon with whom he works every day - one wonders how he stands all the immorality around him.  The really troubling issue here is that he is using his personal religious beliefs to justify policy. The entire point of the separation of church and state is that policies and laws are based on reason, not arbitrary religious beliefs.<BR><BR>And for those who support Pace’s comments - consider this. According to reports I have read, Pace is a Roman Catholic. I was raised Catholic, and there are a lot of other “lifestyle choices” considered as immoral, if not worse, than either homosexuality or adultery. Included in those are heretical lifestyles, which includes basically all the mainstream Protestant religions, blasphemous lifestyles, which includes all the evangelical and fundamentalist non-denominational churches, and of course the adulterous lifestyles chosen by those who leave their spouses and “marry” again (although we know the Bible does not allow divorce). Should we allow Pace to use his personal religious beliefs to exclude all those “immoral” people from the military?